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	<title>Comments on: Iain Liddle and Total MMA Lose Their Credibility</title>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://fightcritic.com/2008/iain-liddle-and-total-mma-lose-their-credibility/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your article loses all its credibility with your first attempt at providing a counter point. Iain never said that JOB was a top heavyweight, but he did say that he was a top HW prospect, a fact that can't be denied. Of course you took him to task for calling JOB a top heavyweight, something he didn't do. Credibility shot indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article loses all its credibility with your first attempt at providing a counter point. Iain never said that JOB was a top heavyweight, but he did say that he was a top HW prospect, a fact that can&#8217;t be denied. Of course you took him to task for calling JOB a top heavyweight, something he didn&#8217;t do. Credibility shot indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: I Agree With Iain</title>
		<link>http://fightcritic.com/2008/iain-liddle-and-total-mma-lose-their-credibility/#comment-366</link>
		<dc:creator>I Agree With Iain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NBA will not Drop the San Antonio Spurs or Tim Duncan from the finals because they are boring or not marketable, although, they follow the rules.  ACTUALLY, the NBA has changed rules to prevent excitement like legalizing the zone, calling traveling and palming.  The NBA doesn't say, well Phoenix is more exciting, so, they should play in the finals.  Also, College Football is not really a sport because it deals with college athletes.  If they were not students, they would definitely set playoffs, which they will do anyways, so that the favorite or the most marketable team plays in the championship game.  NCAA Football is getting criticized left and right for doing so, and that is what you compared the UFC to?

The point of the article is that they could have very well changed their own set of rules or done something to increase excitement, instead of letting good promising fighters go because they are not marketable or exciting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NBA will not Drop the San Antonio Spurs or Tim Duncan from the finals because they are boring or not marketable, although, they follow the rules.  ACTUALLY, the NBA has changed rules to prevent excitement like legalizing the zone, calling traveling and palming.  The NBA doesn&#8217;t say, well Phoenix is more exciting, so, they should play in the finals.  Also, College Football is not really a sport because it deals with college athletes.  If they were not students, they would definitely set playoffs, which they will do anyways, so that the favorite or the most marketable team plays in the championship game.  NCAA Football is getting criticized left and right for doing so, and that is what you compared the UFC to?</p>
<p>The point of the article is that they could have very well changed their own set of rules or done something to increase excitement, instead of letting good promising fighters go because they are not marketable or exciting.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fight Critic</title>
		<link>http://fightcritic.com/2008/iain-liddle-and-total-mma-lose-their-credibility/#comment-364</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fight Critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said, the headline is a play on the original and no more inflammatory than the original. It was on purpose to show how silly the original claim and headline was.

Also Dave, I guess I don't have a problem calling out the UFC on inconsistent sporting decisions as long as you do the same for every other sporting league.

The problem with Iain's argument was that he claimed that the UFC no longer belonged in the group of actual "sports" because of what they did. When in fact I believe if held to that same standard, many other "sports" would fail to meet that bar as well. My point is that consistency is needed rather than singling out the UFC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said, the headline is a play on the original and no more inflammatory than the original. It was on purpose to show how silly the original claim and headline was.</p>
<p>Also Dave, I guess I don&#8217;t have a problem calling out the UFC on inconsistent sporting decisions as long as you do the same for every other sporting league.</p>
<p>The problem with Iain&#8217;s argument was that he claimed that the UFC no longer belonged in the group of actual &#8220;sports&#8221; because of what they did. When in fact I believe if held to that same standard, many other &#8220;sports&#8221; would fail to meet that bar as well. My point is that consistency is needed rather than singling out the UFC.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://fightcritic.com/2008/iain-liddle-and-total-mma-lose-their-credibility/#comment-363</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure if its fair to say its disingenuous to call out UFC on some crummy practices and say it helps to de-legitimatize them. Your point does hold water, as K-1 had adjusted its rules a few times to favor Japanese fighters and handicap foreign fights, such as the one knee from the clinch rule that hurts muay thai fighters like Buakaw and so on, as well as many other sports do shady things. I don't see how that makes it OK for UFC to do that. Are we not supposed to hold UFC to any standards because more mainstream sports have done it as well?

Like him or not, getting rid of JOB for losing to a true top level fighter like Arlovski and not being 'exciting' seems to contradict how fighters like Brandon Vera are somehow still considered UFC contracted fighters. Josh Koscheck was a 'boring' young fighter when he had his first few TUF and post-TUF fights, but they didn't fire him. Lyoto Machida has a boring, almost point-fighting defensive style and rarely pushes the pace but is still contracted (granted his win record is good).

Also, while I believe your intentions were simply to post a counter-point to Iain's article, you have to admit the headline is a bit.. Inflammatory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure if its fair to say its disingenuous to call out UFC on some crummy practices and say it helps to de-legitimatize them. Your point does hold water, as K-1 had adjusted its rules a few times to favor Japanese fighters and handicap foreign fights, such as the one knee from the clinch rule that hurts muay thai fighters like Buakaw and so on, as well as many other sports do shady things. I don&#8217;t see how that makes it OK for UFC to do that. Are we not supposed to hold UFC to any standards because more mainstream sports have done it as well?</p>
<p>Like him or not, getting rid of JOB for losing to a true top level fighter like Arlovski and not being &#8216;exciting&#8217; seems to contradict how fighters like Brandon Vera are somehow still considered UFC contracted fighters. Josh Koscheck was a &#8216;boring&#8217; young fighter when he had his first few TUF and post-TUF fights, but they didn&#8217;t fire him. Lyoto Machida has a boring, almost point-fighting defensive style and rarely pushes the pace but is still contracted (granted his win record is good).</p>
<p>Also, while I believe your intentions were simply to post a counter-point to Iain&#8217;s article, you have to admit the headline is a bit.. Inflammatory.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fight Critic</title>
		<link>http://fightcritic.com/2008/iain-liddle-and-total-mma-lose-their-credibility/#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fight Critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nowhere in my post did I say the UFC is perfect or that I agree with all their decisions.

The key point I was trying to make is that all "sports" will bend the rules of "sport" to meet their business goals; some more than others. Clearly, sports like boxing or MMA probably do so more than say, the Olympics. Nevertheless, it happens everywhere. So to call out the UFC for doing what everyone else is doing is disingenuous in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nowhere in my post did I say the UFC is perfect or that I agree with all their decisions.</p>
<p>The key point I was trying to make is that all &#8220;sports&#8221; will bend the rules of &#8220;sport&#8221; to meet their business goals; some more than others. Clearly, sports like boxing or MMA probably do so more than say, the Olympics. Nevertheless, it happens everywhere. So to call out the UFC for doing what everyone else is doing is disingenuous in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranger</title>
		<link>http://fightcritic.com/2008/iain-liddle-and-total-mma-lose-their-credibility/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the original article and it was a horrid piece of journalism.  It would be funny if Zach hadn't actually posted it at his pretty respectable site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the original article and it was a horrid piece of journalism.  It would be funny if Zach hadn&#8217;t actually posted it at his pretty respectable site.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Trembow</title>
		<link>http://fightcritic.com/2008/iain-liddle-and-total-mma-lose-their-credibility/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Trembow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liddle didn’t write anything in that article that isn’t true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liddle didn’t write anything in that article that isn’t true.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://fightcritic.com/2008/iain-liddle-and-total-mma-lose-their-credibility/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 18:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think that Zach or really the internet as a whole is headhunting for the UFC. I don't understand the backlash towards criticism -- well, scratch that, I do understand it, I just don't understand how people can put themselves in the mindset where criticism means that you are being a 'hater.'

It is a valid argument to say that it was a bad choice to fire JOB for being a wrestler. I'm not in any which way a fan of his, I actually kind of dislike him and his style, but they have kept lesser fighters around in menial undercard fights for far longer than JOB. 

What I think the writer of this rebuttal sort of missed was that Iain was referring to not just the isolated incident of JOB getting canned for being 'boring,' but instead that this is generally how UFC operates. They make crass, silly decisions that are seemingly based on how they are feeling that afternon.

That aside, I don't think anybody who is discussing UFC on the net hates them, I think its more that we/they watch it all the time and have watched it for a very long time. It is a matter of loving the sport and having watched it grow. The fact is, writing nothing but praise for a company is boring. How often do you get so excited about something that you feel the need to sit down and pound out some eloquent, long prose about how amazing something was? Not everybody can be like Eddie Goldman towards YAMMA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that Zach or really the internet as a whole is headhunting for the UFC. I don&#8217;t understand the backlash towards criticism &#8212; well, scratch that, I do understand it, I just don&#8217;t understand how people can put themselves in the mindset where criticism means that you are being a &#8216;hater.&#8217;</p>
<p>It is a valid argument to say that it was a bad choice to fire JOB for being a wrestler. I&#8217;m not in any which way a fan of his, I actually kind of dislike him and his style, but they have kept lesser fighters around in menial undercard fights for far longer than JOB. </p>
<p>What I think the writer of this rebuttal sort of missed was that Iain was referring to not just the isolated incident of JOB getting canned for being &#8216;boring,&#8217; but instead that this is generally how UFC operates. They make crass, silly decisions that are seemingly based on how they are feeling that afternon.</p>
<p>That aside, I don&#8217;t think anybody who is discussing UFC on the net hates them, I think its more that we/they watch it all the time and have watched it for a very long time. It is a matter of loving the sport and having watched it grow. The fact is, writing nothing but praise for a company is boring. How often do you get so excited about something that you feel the need to sit down and pound out some eloquent, long prose about how amazing something was? Not everybody can be like Eddie Goldman towards YAMMA.</p>
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		<title>By: mattio</title>
		<link>http://fightcritic.com/2008/iain-liddle-and-total-mma-lose-their-credibility/#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator>mattio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was a silly article. High on melodrama and not much else. He would have had a point if Jake O'brien was the only reason the UFC had credibility. Of course, that isn't the case.

The internet MMA media is very anti-UFC. They can take a story about the UFC releasing a hesitant fighter with injury problems and spin it that the company is going down the tubes. That is the way they operate.

Zach Arnold does not take unfair shots at the UFC, but he gives others the opportunity to do so at his website. He should probably look for writers that want to help grow his site with informative articles about the UFC. He is going to have to keep on begging for donations if he keeps on using  UFC haters like Liddle.

Why writers want to cozy up to the hardcores with articles attacking the UFC, I have no idea. The hardcore fanbase is very bothersome in my opinion. They are going to watch regardless, so catering to them is just a lot of hassle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a silly article. High on melodrama and not much else. He would have had a point if Jake O&#8217;brien was the only reason the UFC had credibility. Of course, that isn&#8217;t the case.</p>
<p>The internet MMA media is very anti-UFC. They can take a story about the UFC releasing a hesitant fighter with injury problems and spin it that the company is going down the tubes. That is the way they operate.</p>
<p>Zach Arnold does not take unfair shots at the UFC, but he gives others the opportunity to do so at his website. He should probably look for writers that want to help grow his site with informative articles about the UFC. He is going to have to keep on begging for donations if he keeps on using  UFC haters like Liddle.</p>
<p>Why writers want to cozy up to the hardcores with articles attacking the UFC, I have no idea. The hardcore fanbase is very bothersome in my opinion. They are going to watch regardless, so catering to them is just a lot of hassle.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fight Critic</title>
		<link>http://fightcritic.com/2008/iain-liddle-and-total-mma-lose-their-credibility/#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator>The Fight Critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The headline is a play on your original post's headline and it is no less sensational. Maybe I did misunderstand but that's the stuff that stuck out when I read your article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The headline is a play on your original post&#8217;s headline and it is no less sensational. Maybe I did misunderstand but that&#8217;s the stuff that stuck out when I read your article.</p>
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